This is StRest! In this conversation, Kerstin sits down with Dr. Nicole Cain—clinical psychologist, author of Panic Proof, and nationally recognized leader in trauma-informed holistic medicine. Together, they unpack the difference between stress, anxiety, and panic, and why your body’s fear response is actually a clue pointing you toward healing. Dr. Nicole shares her own story of developing a fear of flying after turbulence triggered a trauma response, and how she learned to retrain her brain and body. She introduces practical tools—from cold therapy and havening, to gut health and hormone balance—that can help you calm panic in the moment and reverse the cycle long-term. This episode will show you how fear of the fear spreads, how panic generalizes into daily life, and how you can reprogram your nervous system with curiosity and agency. You’ll leave with a fresh perspective, simple grounding practices, and the reminder that you aren’t broken—you’re worthy of healing. UPCOMING EVENTS ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠National Menopause Show | Anaheim, October 4 & 5, 2025⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://ow.ly/yKYf50WJFSW⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | USE COUPON: Lindquist15 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Woman's Wellness Retreat | Montana, October 9-12, 2025⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - https://shorturl.at/OF4W7 SPONSORS ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ancient Nutrition⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - For 20% OFF, USE CODE: STREST20 | https://shorturl.at/XwYqS ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Waco Shoe Company | Revitalign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - 20% OFF EVERYTHING, USE CODE: KERSTIN20 |https://shorturl.at/aXSWi Superpower - Sign up today! | superpower.com/kerstin PROGRAM ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fast2Faith Fasting Program⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ -https://shorturl.at/qky9O CHAPTERS 00:00 Dr. Cain’s fear of flying and trauma response 05:38 Anxiety as a clue, not a curse 07:51 Fear of the fear—why it spirals 09:28 Susie at the salon: hormones, heat & panic 12:08 Generalizing fear: what “Little Albert” teaches us 17:42 Real-time tools: cold therapy, havening & math 22:39 Stress vs. Anxiety vs. Panic—the stoplight model 33:29 How the brain wires fear vs. logic 36:40 Hormones, gut health & Clostridia’s hidden role 46:17 Medications, supplements & tapering safely 55:44 Protecting your spoons: reclaiming energy Work with Kerstin ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Workshops & Events⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ – Join upcoming events & retreats. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Health Coaching with Kerstin⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ – 1:1 coaching for stress reduction & wellness. More about Dr. Nicole Cain Website: NicoleCain.com IG: (@drnicolecain) Book: Panic Proof More about Kerstin Website:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠kerstin-lindquist.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @kerstin.lindquist⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Facebook:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Kerstin Lindquist⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @Kerstin.lindquist⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @kerstin.lindquist⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Production, Distribution, and Marketing By Massif & Kroo Website:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MassifKroo.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ For inquiries/sponsoring: email hello@MassifKroo.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices