In our 4th episode, Dan and Craig sit down with Deborah Ko, expert in leadership psychology and fellow Googler, to delve into the surprising realities of how leaders think and what secretly drives their most strategic decisions.

In this conversation, we hear from Deborah on a fascinating array of topics, ranging from the dual role of fear in both motivating and restricting executives from taking decisive action, to tools for overriding politics and groupthink in favor of real innovation, to the critical importance of sustained trust for achieving greatness.

For anyone looking to contact Deborah, you can do so via linkedin:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/deborahko/