What does a ’professional’ leader look like? Probably the same as what a ’perfect’ Christian looks like: inauthentic. There is significant cultural pressure to professionalise our leadership, but this often comes with a cost, and that cost is our ability to effectively point people toward God. In this episode, Aaron Chidgzey sits down with Jen Argue and guest Mandy Smith, pastor, leader, teacher, and author of the upcoming book ’Confessions of an Amateur Saint: The Christian Leader’s Journey from Self-Sufficiency to Reliance on God’. Mandy urges the Christian leader to embrace vulnerability and authenticity, to learn be comfortable with discomfort, and return to a trusting dependance on God.  The book is available for pre-order Amazon and Koorong.  A Centre for Faith and Life Production. For more information, visit centreforfaithandlife.com  Find us on Instagram and Facebook and say hi!