In this episode Carey talks to writer Shawn Smucker, one of the contributors to Square Halo Books' ⁠⁠Ordinary Saints: Living Everyday Life to the Glory of God⁠⁠, about the bookstore that Shawn and his wife have recently opened. They recorded this podcast in "Leslie's Nook," the new community room in Nooks. During the course of their conversation Trey and Shawn talked about creativity, collaboration, community, and our upcoming conference.