Really thought-provoking to have Lorien back on the show. Lorien is qualified personal trainer, a mindfulness and wellbeing expert and a psychology student. This is a free-wheeling conversation around how to manage modern life.

Discuss how movement and physical training is important, but how it can be a negative experience if we frame it in the wrong way - how it can fuel a negative body image, for example - or use it to compensate for something else. 

Lorien also brings an interesting definition of trauma - that helped me reconcile how we live (in the UK) in an extended period of peace, a ‘soft’ era, and yet there is so much conversation about widespread trauma. 

We also talk about the power of nature, the importance of being bored and community to health - and the importance of taking breaks/holidays (Holiday on holidays, if you like!). 

To contact Lorien: https://www.lorienholiday.com