In this conversation, we discuss the lack of a contemplative aim with the last four gifts of the Holy Ghost: fortitude, counsel, understanding, and wisdom. We explain how these gifts can help overcome lukewarmness and lead to spiritual growth. The gift of fortitude inspires us to live and die for God, giving us the strength and courage to fulfill God's calling in our lives. The gift of counsel helps us discern God's will and make decisions aligned with His plan for the salvation of souls. The gift of understanding allows us to see things with spiritual meaning and overcome lukewarmness by orienting our will towards the ultimate spiritual good. Finally, the gift of wisdom orders all things to God and helps us taste Him as the ultimate good, leading to contemplation and purgation of lukewarmness. - The gift of fortitude inspires us to live and die for God, giving us the strength and courage to fulfill God's calling in our lives. - The gift of counsel helps us discern God's will and make decisions aligned with His plan for the salvation of souls. - The gift of understanding allows us to see things with spiritual meaning and overcome lukewarmness by orienting our will towards the ultimate spiritual good. - The gift of wisdom orders all things to God and helps us taste Him as the ultimate good, leading to contemplation and purgation of lukewarmness. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Lack of a Contemplative Aim 01:12 Chapter 1: Overcoming Lukewarmness with the Gift of Fortitude 05:49 Chapter 3: Seeing with Spiritual Meaning through the Gift of Understanding 08:32 Chapter 4: Ordering All Things to God with the Gift of Wisdom