Please Note: This episode contains some strong language and adult themes that may not be suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised.

In Part 1 of this special two-part episode, Spirit Talk Show host Doyle welcomes Emmy-winning writer, producer, and podcaster Alan Katz for a revealing conversation about creativity, chaos, and the strange turns stories can take.

Alan shares how the infamous behind-the-scenes disaster of Bordello of Blood—a vampire movie tangled in studio politics and ego-driven casting—became the origin story of his award-winning show, The How Not to Make a Movie Podcast. We talk about the dysfunction of Hollywood, what it really takes to tell stories honestly, and why podcasting has become the ultimate medium for truth-tellers and rule-breakers.

This episode covers everything from unmade movies to creative resilience and the moments that made Alan walk away—and then come back—with something to say.

And yes, there’s a horror story coming. But that’s in Part 2.

For now, lean in. This is the story before the story.

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