John Ortberg joins us on the podcast today as we continue on in the Divine Conspiracy Project, looking at Chapter 8 of the book. John is a pastor, author, and speaker. He’s been in ministry for over 40 years and teaches around a central theme of spiritual formation. John is a deep believer that the main thing God gets out of your life is the person you become. He desires for people to know God in an interactive, life- transforming way. Presently, John leads the ministry, Become New, focused on leveraging online technology for life change and spiritual community. Dallas Willard was a mentor to John and John would lovingly refer to some of the books that he authored as “Dallas for Dummies”.  We talk about Jesus’ narrow way as a way of life, God’s desire for you to become the kind of person that God can set loose in the universe to do what you want to do, the interaction between behavior and belief, our mental maps, faith in Jesus and the faith of Jesus, and all kinds of tangents along the way.   Find John at Become New John’s books on Amazon     The Divine Conspiracy - Book Audiobook for the Divine Conspiracy on Spotify   The Divine Conspiracy Project Info and Reading Plan   ------------------ To help support Mike and his work, which includes this podcast, as well as his ability to offer discounted coaching, consulting and preaching to churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to:“WE Ministries”And mail it to:Mike Goldsworthy6285 E. Spring St #474Long Beach, CA 90808