Sean Palmer joins us today to delve into the first chapter of The Divine Conspiracy. Sean is an enneagram theorist, a preacher and a pastor, a speaking coach and author. He’s currently the Teaching Pastor at Ecclesia Houston, and most recently is the author of Speaking by the Numbers.  Sean and I talk about how the Divine Conspiracy helped to give Jesus as fresh hearing for those like us who had presumed familiarity that led to unfamiliarity. We talk about what it means to do life with God, what a kingdom is, and how this changed and shaped our view of the work Jesus was about, and we even threw in a bit of quick baseball talk.    Sean’s Website Sean’s Substack   The Divine Conspiracy - Book Audiobook for the Divine Conspiracy on Spotify   The Divine Conspiracy Project Info and Reading Plan   Becoming Dallas Willard by Gary Moon The Theology of Dallas Willard by Gary Black   ------------------ To help support Mike and his work, which includes this podcast, as well as his ability to offer discounted coaching, consulting and preaching to churches, you can make tax-deductible donations to:“WE Ministries”And mail it to:Mike Goldsworthy6285 E. Spring St #474Long Beach, CA 90808