With the Washington Wizards set to face the Indiana Pacers Wednesday night, it seemed like a great time to catch up with current Pacers journalist and Bullets Forever alum Tony East. In this episode, we talked about what makes Tyrese Haliburton special, Haliburton's hamstring injury, and what the Pacers do well and not so well before diving into the Wizards.

Tony's attention is primarily on the Pacers, but he watches a lot of Wizards basketball, which leads to some great insights into how Washington's rebuild is going. We hit on a number of Wizards topics, including:

• the struggles of Jordan Poole
• who the Wizards are likely to trade
• whether "showcasing" players makes a difference
• the improvement of Deni Avdija
• the puzzling approach to developing Bilal Coulibaly into a future NBA star.

This was a fun conversation about two teams going in different directions.