Dr. Kanjana sits down with Dr. Aurore Candier and Dr. Catherine Raymond to talk about how Burmese conceptualizations and understandings of governance and political relationships shifted over the course of the 1800s at the beginning of colonial contact. Together they discuss the role of astrology, oral tradition, and rumors within Burmese governance and worldview and what happened with the introduction of print media. Dr. Candier is a historian and researcher who specializes in the study of Myanmar and the country's changing political landscape throughout history. Working for more than 20 years in Myanmar, she now serves as the Director of the Center for Burma Studies at NIU and an Associate Professor of History. Dr. Raymond is an archeologist and art historian specializing in Theravada Buddhism arts. Dr. Raymond is an Emeritus Professor of Art History and previously served as the director of the Center for Burma Studies at NIU.