Victoria Shen's needle nails technique, which was appropriately earlier this summer in a Beyoncé video, is just one of many new approaches to making sounds that Shen (who performs under the moniker Evicshen) uses in her provocative performances and installations. But even though all the sounds she makes, and often all the devices she uses to make them as well, are her own creations, she is ambivalent about describing herself as a composer as she tells Frank J. Oteri in this NewMusicBox podcast. To learn more about Shen and to see as well as hear more of her work, please visit NewMusicBox: https://newmusicusa.org/nmbx/victoria-shen-the-landfill-of-meaning/