This week I'm joined by Mia Thornton, the creator of the fantastic new BBC Sounds podcast Instrumental: Black British Trailblazers, which explores the Black artists who have shaped British music in genres often seen as 'white.' In this conversation, we discuss Mia's journey in the northern creative industry, the impact of desirability politics on Black female pop stars, the process of creating Instrumental and loads more. I really enjoyed this conversation, so I hope you do too :)

Listen to Instrumental here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p0kqbv5l

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