TRIGGER WARNING - Mike hosts with Dave as they interview Phil Holland, a survivor of police brutality. Phil describes his heartbreaking and terrifying account of how he was shot multiple times by police and lived to tell the story. After a long hard road to recovery, Phil wants to spread his message of awareness about police reform and what it would mean to defund the police. Listen to him discuss how the institution of policing is racist at its core, and how the practices that constitute police procedure are often too reliant on lethal force, especially when it comes to black and brown lives.