Therapist, author and media pro Kelley Kitley joins Alysse to unpack “gray area” drinking, stigma around labels and what long-term recovery really feels like — including a visceral craving moment and the simple, honest tools that kept her sober. They also dig into cross-addictions, perimenopause curveballs, parenting teens and how sharing your story (even when it’s messy) can change lives.
Takeaways:
“Gray area” drinking thrives on qualifiers; clarity reduces stigma and increases connection.
Cravings can resurface years in — play the tape forward and “tell on yourself” to your sober network.
Sharing your story can be a professional risk — and a lifeline for others (and you).
Language and identity (“alcohol-free,” “sober,” “alcoholic”) often depend on social circles; choose what supports your recovery.
Perimenopause symptoms can echo old patterns; stack healthy coping tools early.
Key Timestamps:
[02:01] — Alysse’s Chicago intro + Kelley’s “grew up above a bar” backstory.
[06:00] — Media hustle: pitching herself, "Today Show" bump and making impact.
[09:08] — Making her mess her message: therapist transparency & the book.
[18:32] — A real-time craving in a hotel — and the group text that saved the day.
[34:23] — Labels, stigma and the “gray area” short film.
[27:26] — Perimenopause, rage, sleep and staying out of old habits.
Resources & Links:
-Kelley Kitley: Website, Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook
-Book: "MY self: An autobiography of survival"
-TEDx: "I show my scars so others know they can heal"
-The Kelley Kitley Podcast: America's Social Worker Unfiltered
-YouTube: "Gray Area"
-Alcohol + Substance Use Disorder Guide
-Recovery Nonprofit Resource Guide
-LBGTQ+ Recovery Resource Guide
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Sobriety isn’t the end of the party—it’s just the start of a better one. Hosted by Alysse Bryson, media powerhouse and sobriety’s ultimate hype woman, and joined by Sober Curator contributors, The Sober Curator Podcast* delivers bold convos, pop culture deep dives, and zero-proof living that doesn’t suck. Whether you're sober, sober-curious, or just looking for good vibes without the hangover, we’ve got you covered. Subscribe now—because getting sober matters, staying sober matters more.
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