In Episode 1.5 of the So What? podcast released in December last year we interviewed Alan Harnum of the Inclusive Design Research Centre at OCAD University in Toronto. We talked about the IDRC, its philosophy, and the way it works. This episode continues that discussion and focuses on two specific projects that exemplify the challenges and opportunities in the inclusive design area: the Social Justice Repair Kit and Co-Designing Inclusive Cities project. A transcript of this episode is available online: https://sowhat.fims.uwo.ca/1-7-the-social-justice-repair-kit-and-the-co-designing-inclusive-cities-project/ Episode producer: Mike Ridley