Margaret is joined by Morgan Lutich from The AMPire Diaries to break down one of Smash’s most chaotic episodes yet. From Karen’s ongoing incompetence (she doesn’t know what “downstage” is?!) to Ivy being robbed of another Marilyn number, they unpack what still works, what’s aged poorly, and why we keep coming back to this beautiful mess. They get into Derek and Ivy’s mysteriously serious relationship, Julia’s endless meltdowns, the underrated Tom sauna number, and the unforgettable early 2010s fashion choices. Plus: Morgan’s Undiscovered pick is AMC’s Interview with the Vampire—a gorgeously gothic, overtly queer reimagining of the Anne Rice classic. Follow Morgan @lorganmutich and check out The AMPire Diaries, a hilarious Vampire Diaries rewatch podcast with detours into Charmed, Legacies, and more.