Simon Madden is joined by Nikki Langman - public speaker, author & ultra-marathon runner - and Grant Hansen - an Australian Indigenous musician and broadcaster who is the creator, producer and host of the Marngrook Footy Show.

Listen as Nikki discusses overcoming addiction and using that focus to become an endurance runner. She also talks about mentors - should it be someone you admire or someone who inspires? What is the actual difference? And why bravery, grit, integrity and humour are her core values.

Grant talks about being indigenous, overcoming obstacles growing up, as well as his first loves - music and sport. He also discusses the 90s and his uber-successful music band, Blackfire - where he played to a mere 26 million in China - and how the Marngrook Footy Show came to be!

Both guests tell how they have been handling lockdown and what strategies they have put in place to protect their mental health and what is leadership to them.