Abby Brassey, Sutton & Epsom back row and first team captain, joins She's the Champ off the back of the rest weekend. She talks about four-hour away days growing up in Australia, making the switch from sevens to XVs, and how Sutton & Epsom are planning to get their first points of the season (against Bluebell at London Irish).

Plus a recap of the Championship North and South tables after the break, and a look ahead to all the fixtures coming up this weekend in Gameweek 5.

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Host: Bluebell Nicholls

Producer: Tom Nunan