In this unflinching and wide-ranging conversation, Robyn welcomes back bestselling coach and author Nicole Cherie Hesse, whose new novel A Shadow Called Sunshine is fiction-ish, soul-coded, and anything but self-help as usual.
This episode explores:
Why Nicole wrote a novel instead of a business book
The dangers of turning survivorship into an identity
How trauma bonding gets masqueraded as empowerment
The rise of the relatable trauma brand—and why Nicole’s not here for it
The cultural spell of Twilight, 50 Shades, and “healing” arcs that leave women stuck
What it means to choose the pattern interrupt
The So That What movement and how it builds beyond #MeToo
Plus, we reflect on our own experiences with narcissistic abuse, spiritual trauma, and what it means to hold radical responsibility without shame.
If you’ve ever been sold the story that being chosen by a powerful person was the win—this one will set the record (and your nervous system) straight.
Order A Shadow Called Sunshine: sothatwhat.org
Join the So That What Telegram group: sothatwhat.org
Connect with Nicole: @unicornsonlyauthor on IG
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