What happens when the people and practices you were taught to fear become the very ones that save your spirit?

In this episode, David returns to the sacred, surprising space of HUMC—where therapists, mystics, and queer spiritual leaders weren’t condemned, but welcomed. Through stories of community, healing, and deep transformation, he explores how the once-forbidden became foundational. These weren’t just people. They were spiritual tools in human form.

Blending personal narrative with reflection and meditation, this episode invites listeners to consider what they’ve left outside the sanctuary of their own lives—and what might happen if they dared to bring it in.

David closes with a gentle meditation on reclaiming what was once called unholy, and offers a brief, heartfelt note about an upcoming retreat—a time of deep listening, unfolding, and quiet return.