If you're listening to this episode, it's likely not the first time you've heard an interview with Kat Giordano. About to release their 4th book (a collection of poems called Thumbsucker, with Malarkey Books) Giordano is indisputably a part of the outsider/indie lit scene. And yet… and yet they feel outside of the outsiders. Part of that comes from being non-binary. Part of that comes from decades of social anxiety. Part of that comes from being opinionated in ways that diverge from the party line – and yes, even outsider literature has a clear party line. 

If the social scene doesn't represent you. If you can't wrap it around you like a cum stained blanket and feel its musty comfort, then you have to be a writer first. Kat is very much a writer first and the books they've produced are an invitation for readers to witness the ugliest, horniest, neediest moments of their life. But the work is more than just prurient and confessional. Kat's a gifted and careful writer who continues to produce work that is seldom reflected elsewhere. In this episode, we focus on Kat's 2020 autofictional novel, The Fountain (Thirty West), which is an account of a specific sort of depression that hits in your early 20s.