Are CISOs leaving the industry in droves? One survey suggests that as many as one in four senior cybersecurity leaders plans to leave the profession. The causes include growing responsibilities, increasingly severe threats and ever-greater regulatory burdens. The result is stress and burn out, with CISOs constantly fighting fires. As one of our guests says, CISOs suffer from an "invisibility of success". So what can we do? The first step is to recognise the problem; the second is to help CISOs build both organisational and individual resilience. Our guests are Darren Williams, founder and CEO of BlackFog, which commissioned the research, and Peter Coroneos, founder of mental health not for profit Cybermindz.