Dr Claudia Natanson is CEO at the UK Cyber Security Council. The Council, which is funded by the Government's Department for Science, Innovation and Technology, acts as an umbrella body for a range of professional bodies in cybersecurity. It is the organisation behind chartered status for cybersecurity professionals, sets standards and publishes an ethics code, and acts as a voice of the industry: quite a broad mission for an organisation that is only a few years old. The Council is, though, very well placed to assess the health of the cybersecurity industry across the UK. And, as Dr Natanson says, it faces a number of challenges, including recruitment, retention, diversity, and ensuring organisations understand what they need from their cybersecurity teams. But what, exactly, does pouring the perfect pint of Guinness have to do with a successful career in cyber? Interview by Stephen Pritchard