What do mud-powered science kits, Stanford's Startup Garage, and systems thinking have in common? Keegan Cooke. In this episode, we sit down with the Director of Stanford Ecopreneurship to unpack what it really takes to train future founders. From turning microbial fuel cells into an educational startup to mentoring students through the chaos of early-stage ventures, Keegan shares the mental models, frameworks, and lived experiences that shape how Stanford teaches entrepreneurship. We talk about second- and third-order effects, global customer discovery, and why great mentors know when to step back. If you’ve ever wondered how to build ventures that think two steps ahead, this episode is for you.