Josh & Dean chat with long-time American Splendor artist Joe Zabel. Joe talks about his years working with Harvey, the creativity he brought to the role of illustrator, his thoughts on the movie, and about how his first impression of American Splendor was that it was a sex comic (“Harvey Pecker”).

An in-depth examination of the creative process behind a number of memorable American Splendor stories. Joe explains how he came to realize that Harvey was a genus, American Splendor was literature, and that the film was an innovative, avant-garde movie in its own right. Debate: was Harvey an introvert?

Shout-outs to Youngstown State University, Subliminal Tattoos, Keyhole Comics, Robert Blake, Carlos Castaneda, the city of Cleveland, Bernie Shulman’s, Gary Dumm, Gerry Shamray, Joe Sacco, and Val Mayerik.