Paul and Abby chat with Gareth Stack, the bass player of New Zealand hardcore band Bleeders. The conversation sizzles between their acclaimed NZ reunion tour, making a record in New Jersey and the origins of the almighty tutu tapes. There's plenty of hot bass talk and we discuss Bleeders' reinterpretation of their hit song "All That Glitters" into the inspiring te reo Māori waiata "Tahuna Te Ao Mārama".