If you find it impossible to really switch off on holiday, this is for you. Lee shares a controversial opinion: as a business owner, you probably can't ever fully disconnect.

But that doesn't mean you can't take a proper family break. Richard and Lee look at the practical ways they make it work (from satellite internet on a camping trip to planning drives around quiet times).

They also talk through the most important part: the right attitude. You'll learn how they use gratitude to stop feeling resentful about interruptions, and how they talk to their kids about it so everyone stays relaxed. A great listen if you're trying to find a better way to balance it all.

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