From redefining “lazy” to defending a four‑day workweek, sales‑leader‑turned‑author Leslie Venetz shares the inner work that let her trade burnout for balance. She and Jolie unpack toxic hustle culture, the power of saying “no,” and why deep journaling beats quick fixes when you’re rebuilding a healthier relationship with work and self. Key Takeaways• Rest ≠ laziness — recovery is a revenue strategy• Trust your team; micromanagement is a tax on growth• Boundaries create leverage; desperate yeses drain it• Community ends isolation (in sobriety, in sales, in life)• Deep‑dive journaling rewires limiting beliefs faster than surface habits• Build a career you never want to escape from Timestamps 00:00 – Intro: family health crises & off‑record vulnerability02:00 – Writing a book while running a business—impostor syndrome & grit05:42 – Who is Leslie? Joy, curiosity and petting every dog10:38 – First sales job shock: from autonomy to bathroom‑break policing14:53 – Toxic cultures & people‑pleasing in your 20s19:05 – On an island: being the only woman in sales leadership23:31 – Community & sobriety: why connection is the real higher power25:38 – The strategic “no” and designing work you don’t need to escape31:54 – Hustle myths, redefining “lazy,” and honoring rest38:03 – Four‑day workweek: no justification needed42:28 – Shadow‑work journaling, gratitude, and self‑paced healing51:15 – Book launch, where to find Leslie, and closing thoughts LinksLearn more about LeslieLearn more about JolieLearn more about Revenue Mind