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Revenue Brothers
Growblocks
50 episodes
7 months ago
What happens when a VC and a CEO come together? – They nerd out about all things revenue. And they don’t always agree. Raul Porojan of Project A Ventures and Toni Hohlbein of Growblocks are the Super Revenue Brothers. In every episode they dissect and debate current issues in B2B SaaS, and offer solutions on how to solve them No matter if you’re an early-stage startup or a scaling unicorn – you’ll always learn something new.
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What happens when a VC and a CEO come together? – They nerd out about all things revenue. And they don’t always agree. Raul Porojan of Project A Ventures and Toni Hohlbein of Growblocks are the Super Revenue Brothers. In every episode they dissect and debate current issues in B2B SaaS, and offer solutions on how to solve them No matter if you’re an early-stage startup or a scaling unicorn – you’ll always learn something new.
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Episodes (20/50)
Revenue Brothers
Why you missed Q1 I #050

If you’re scrambling to justify a weak Q1 to your board, start here.


Because you’re not alone, and you’re probably blaming the wrong things.


In this episode, Toni and Raul dissect why so many revenue teams are falling short. They cover everything from unrealistic quotas and planning blind spots to the hidden dangers of action bias and over-experimentation (looking at you, AI-obsessed founders). They also dive into why “just one more deal” isn’t a strategy, how founder-led magic doesn’t scale, and why your reps are probably single-threading deals with fake champions.


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7 months ago
24 minutes

Revenue Brothers
Con or Cure: Planning I #049

Is planning your best weapon or your biggest waste of time? Depending how you do it, it’s probably both.


In this episode, Toni and Raul unpack the paradox of startup planning. Spoiler: it's not about having a perfect plan, it's about building a fast loop for better decisions. They explain why founders get stuck chasing outdated roadmaps, how most "plans" are investor theater, and why the real power lies in the act of planning itself.


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7 months ago
28 minutes

Revenue Brothers
Inbound, Outbound, and Prisonbound I #048

Corporate espionage, bribery, and fist-fighting customers? Just another day in SaaS sales!


In this episode, Toni and Raul swap wild startup war stories—from the Deel vs. Rippling spy case to real-life "hookers and blow" closers—and explore just how blurry the line gets between hustle and handcuffs.

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7 months ago
26 minutes

Revenue Brothers
Why your Enterprise BDR motion sucks I #047

Trying to force your mid-market BDR playbook into enterprise deals? That's why you're failing.


In this episode, Toni and Raul tackle the common misconceptions about enterprise BDR motions. They explain why activity metrics don't matter anymore, why your junior SDRs are struggling, and how the AE-BDR relationship fundamentally changes at the enterprise level.


Learn why enterprise BDRs need to think like strategic account managers, not cold callers, and why understanding the "Game of Thrones" approach to stakeholder mapping is crucial for breaking into large accounts.


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8 months ago
23 minutes

Revenue Brothers
When Founders Choose Business Over Unicorns I #046

Stuck between building something that makes sense and chasing unicorn status? You're not alone.


In this episode, Toni and Raul get real about the growing number of founders who are saying "screw the metrics" and just building good businesses instead. But here's the catch - your investors signed up for unicorns, not profitable mid-size companies.


We're diving into this messy, often unspoken tension that's reshaping how founders think about success. Why are metrics suddenly taking a backseat? What happens when your definition of "winning" changes midway through the journey? And how do you navigate that awkward conversation with your board?

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8 months ago
23 minutes

Revenue Brothers
The Reason Your Personalization Sucks I #045

Think your "Hey {FName}" and "I see you went to {University}" messages are winning you deals? Think again.


In this episode, Toni and Raul dismantle the myths of modern personalization and reveal why most attempts fall flat. They explore the three critical layers of real personalization, why AI can't (yet) replicate human relevance, and how spending 10 minutes on a genuinely tailored message beats sending 100 automated ones.


If you're sick of crickets after your outreach campaigns and want to know what still works when everyone else is letting robots do the talking, this one's for you.

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8 months ago
22 minutes

Revenue Brothers
Founder's guide to Sales Weirdos I #044

Your sales team seems weird: they stretch the truth, party hard, and break every process you create. But there's a method to the madness.


In this episode, we dive into what really makes salespeople tick. From why your best reps think like entrepreneurs to how 'wonderful weirdos' often outperform polished professionals.


Learn why hiring MBAs for early sales roles backfires, how to harness unconventional personalities instead of fighting them, and why getting close to your sales team matters more than perfect processes.


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8 months ago
23 minutes

Revenue Brothers
Your Comp Plan Sucks I #043

All your sales reps hit 150% quota, but cash flow is down, and churn is up. How can that be? It’s because your comp plans suck.


In this episode, we share the real (and often messy) stories behind sales compensation plans gone wrong - and what actually works. 


Learn why "make it simple" is the hardest advice to follow, how to prevent gaming without complex rules, and why taking away commission is worse than never giving it in the first place.|


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8 months ago
31 minutes

Revenue Brothers
The only 3 Buyer Personas you need to know I #042

Ever wonder why some buyers jump on every new tool while others wait until their business is on fire before making a move? 


In this episode, we dive into the psychology of tech buyers and break down the three types you'll meet: the perfectionist, the procrastinator, and the pragmatist, as well as practical selling strategies for each.


Essential listening for anyone in B2B tech sales who wants to understand what really makes their buyers tick.


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9 months ago
27 minutes

Revenue Brothers
Nailing Founder-led Sales I #041

When should founders stop being their company's best salesperson? We break down the art of transitioning from founder-led sales to a sales team, sharing practical triggers for timing, hiring tips, and common pitfalls to avoid. A must-listen for founders planning their next phase of growth

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9 months ago
26 minutes

Revenue Brothers
Founder's Associate Con or Cure? I #040

Should early-stage startups hire a Founder's Associate or Chief of Staff? In this episode, we tackle this increasingly popular roles in startups.


We break down the differences between these roles, share our experiences, and discuss when these hires make sense - and when they don't. 


From managing special projects to building sustainable team structures, we give you practical insights for founders considering these strategic hires. 

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9 months ago
17 minutes

Revenue Brothers
The VC-business model needs an overhaul I #039


• Shifting Dynamics in VC Investments: Venture capitalists (VCs) are becoming more selective in their investments, focusing on true business potential and founder-VC alignment. This shift is driven by a challenging market environment, including reduced IPOs and acquisitions, which has forced VCs to reassess their strategies and priorities.

• The Rise of Operating VCs: Increasingly, VCs are differentiating themselves by offering operational support beyond capital. This includes specialized expertise, industry connections, and access to unique resources, such as securing exclusive deals (e.g., GPUs for startups). However, founders remain cautious, often prioritizing valuation over these added services.

• Founder and VC Fit Matters: Both founders and VCs are emphasizing the importance of personal compatibility, recognizing the long-term nature of their partnerships. VCs are also focusing more on working with founders who demonstrate self-awareness and a realistic understanding of their business challenges.

• Evolving Founder Mindset: Founders are increasingly thoughtful about capital needs, opting for venture funding only when it serves as a clear accelerator for growth. The focus has shifted from raising large rounds for hype to building sustainable, scalable businesses that align with market realities.


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10 months ago
27 minutes

Revenue Brothers
How to raise a Series A in 2025 | #038

Planning for Series A Success:

  • Detailed execution plans can prevent overwhelm. Raul shares a framework for prioritizing tasks: focus on two key items at a time while de-prioritizing others.
  • Start with foundational tasks like defining your Ideal Customer Profile (ICP) before scaling processes like CRM systems or advanced forecasting.

Saying No vs. Scaling Gradually:

  • Toni and Raul discuss why outright rejection of ideas isn’t always feasible. Instead, adopt a level-based approach to progress incrementally while maintaining focus on the core.

Revenue Engine and Predictability:

  • VCs value predictability in growth. Toni explains the importance of demonstrating a clear input-output relationship for scaling revenue efficiently from $2M to $10M ARR.
  • Transparency around risks and uncertainties can foster better investor relationships and help control the narrative during funding discussions.

Execution and Performance:

  • Experimentation is crucial, but commitment matters. Raul warns against superficial efforts (e.g., half-hearted PLG attempts) and advocates for thorough exploration of growth channels.
  • The value of learning what works—and what doesn’t—on the path to Series A.
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10 months ago
25 minutes

Revenue Brothers
Why is everything so difficult this year | #037

1. The Current Climate: Why So Challenging?

  • Raul sets the stage with a candid reflection: "Why is everything so difficult, and what can we do about it?"
  • Acknowledging 2023 and 2024 as tough years for many, Toni emphasizes the importance of moving beyond the "big whine" to identify actionable solutions.

2. AI Hype: Magic Button or Misguided Expectations?

  • The promise and pitfalls of AI: While AI dominates VC funding and customer expectations, the hype often outpaces its practical applications.
  • Toni critiques the trend of superficial AI strategies, warning that adding "AI" to a pitch isn’t a long-term recipe for success.
  • Raul highlights the need for genuine value and strong ROI cases as the hype inevitably cools.

3. Sales Efficiency & Market Dynamics

  • Pipeline struggles persist across industries, even as buyer behavior begins to stabilize.
  • Toni observes a shift in buyer expectations: customers increasingly seek “magic” solutions and demand more from software providers.
  • Raul sees a silver lining: rising expectations push companies to deliver better products, more personalized solutions, and stronger customer outcomes.

4. Decision-Making in Organizations: CEOs and CFOs Take the Lead

  • Toni notes a tightening of decision-making power, with CEOs and CFOs often being the sole gatekeepers for major purchases.
  • This shift makes it more critical than ever to craft messaging that resonates with top executives while addressing the needs of operational teams.
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10 months ago
31 minutes

Revenue Brothers
Conversational AI with Joachim Schreiner | #036

Revolutionizing Customer Experiences with Conversational AI | Featuring Joachim Schreiner (CRO, Parloa)

In this episode of The Revenue Brothers, host Raul sits down with Joachim Schreiner, the Chief Revenue Officer of Parloa and a pioneer in conversational AI. Despite Toni’s absence, the show continues with a deep dive into the transformative potential of AI in customer interactions.

Joachim, who previously led Salesforce Germany for over 16 years, shares his insights on:

  • Why conversational AI is the next big technological shift.
  • How Parloa aims to redefine customer experiences by creating AI agents capable of human-like conversations.
  • The importance of building trust, loyalty, and personalized interactions with customers.
  • The ethical and technical boundaries between bots and true AI agents.
  • The future of AI in sales, customer success, and service industries, and its potential to enhance—not replace—human roles.

From real-time customer support to proactive engagement, Joachim explains how conversational AI is not just a trend but a game-changer. Whether you're a SaaS enthusiast, a revenue leader, or curious about the future of AI, this episode is packed with actionable insights and forward-thinking perspectives.

🎧 Tune in to discover how technology is reshaping the way businesses connect with their customers!

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11 months ago
35 minutes

Revenue Brothers
Intern to CRO - The Toni Hohlbein Story | #035

Ever wondered how a near-firing can lead to a top executive role? 

Raul and Toni take a deep dive into Toni's career journey. From his beginnings as a struggling part-timer in Copenhagen to becoming the Chief Revenue Officer at Falcon. Plus, a candid discussion of mistakes made and lessons learned along the way. 

  • (00:00) - Introdcution
  • (03:13) - Toni's Origin Story
  • (06:32) - Life in Copenhagen vs. Germany
  • (10:20) - The Falcon Journey
  • (15:39) - From Intern to CRO
  • (21:32) - Lessons and Reflections
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1 year ago
31 minutes

Revenue Brothers
How to run a GTM diagnosis in the first 90 days | #034

You're brand new in an organization and you have 90 days to figure out what's going wrong and what you need to fix now. How do you start?

In this episode, Raul and Toni run through how to run a proper GTM diagnosis.


  • (00:00) - Introduction
  • (01:15) - Live Podcast at Pakcon
  • (02:40) - Reunion in Mannheim
  • (05:21) - Understanding GTM Diagnostics
  • (07:47) - Approaching Organizational Diagnostics
  • (26:43) - Recognizing the Need for Diagnostics
  • (31:20) - Final Thoughts
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1 year ago
32 minutes

Revenue Brothers
What makes a good revenue leader? | #033

What makes a good must-hire revenue leader? What sets them apart? And how can you spot the fake ones?

In this episode, Raul and Toni talk about their experiences in hiring the role, and what they think you should watch out for.

  • (00:00) - Introduction
  • (00:55) - The SaaS events scene
  • (05:00) - What makes a good revenue leader?
  • (08:31) - Hiring and Testing for Scrappiness
  • (13:15) - Evaluating the new hire
  • (21:06) - Stop changing what's working
  • (27:13) - When leaders speak bullshit
  • (29:18) - Final Thoughts and Wrap-Up
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1 year ago
31 minutes

Revenue Brothers
How to hire RevOps | #032

So you want to RevOps.

Great, but where do you start? What kinds of talent should you look for? And who should they report to?

In this episode, Raul and Toni the different archetypes of RevOps backgrounds—whether from consulting, finance, or commercial roles—and where to best place these individuals within your organization. They also share anecdotes about the challenges and strategies for growing RevOps talent internally and what to look for when hiring from outside. 

  • (00:00) - Introduction
  • (00:22) - Vacation stories and missing episodes
  • (05:19) - RevOps talent: Who to hire and why
  • (10:17) - The Importance of Sales Experience in RevOps
  • (17:26) - Who should RevOps report to?
  • (23:51) - Finding and growing RevOps talent
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1 year ago
30 minutes

Revenue Brothers
How to deal with seasonality in sales | #031

Whether you're in B2B or B2C, seasonality is practically universal. So what can you do?

In this episode, Raul and Toni share how to recognize and manage seasonal cycles in sales. 

From understanding fiscal year ends, budget cycles, and the psychology behind customer and sales rep behaviors to practical tips on managing pipelines and leveraging seasonal trends, this episode equips you with the tools to stay ahead.

  • (00:00) - Introduction
  • (04:18) - Seasonality in Sales
  • (05:35) - Understanding Seasonality: Input and Throughput
  • (11:24) - Stop blaming bad results on seasonality
  • (16:54) - Best practices: conquering seasonality
  • (30:29) - Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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1 year ago
31 minutes

Revenue Brothers
What happens when a VC and a CEO come together? – They nerd out about all things revenue. And they don’t always agree. Raul Porojan of Project A Ventures and Toni Hohlbein of Growblocks are the Super Revenue Brothers. In every episode they dissect and debate current issues in B2B SaaS, and offer solutions on how to solve them No matter if you’re an early-stage startup or a scaling unicorn – you’ll always learn something new.