FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.

In each episode, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

This episode was recorded on the 30th of October 2024, Schuur, Haarlem, 20u (NL).

In this episode:

(01:48) Emmy [°1988 - USA] asks musician Sarah about the red threads in all the interviews of FOR REAL so far.

(4:07) Anonymous: "I went to art school and I was in the year with a rapist. Everybody excused that guy. Teachers only going to the bar with the men, sniffing coke together. People say to you: "Oh, but you can really see it was made by a women". And then you think it must be me, my art is not good enough. I am running an art space now, trying to do the exact opposite of what I was taught in art school."

(08:05) Lilly [NL] "What responsibilities lie on your shoulders? Is that in the first place I am a mum. I have two beautiful daughters (...) what I try to do in raising them is to make them strong and resilient. Show them that they really have to be themselves."

(14:08) Anonymous: "I had a fight at work where I was treated very unjustly. I told it to my therapist. And she said: 'are you aware you are telling me this with a huge smile?' It's something a lot of women do. It's probably because it is safer to be friendly all the time than to be angry".

(17:05) Sil: "I felt very much how much the world at the moment needs women. There is so much we can do and a man can not." E.g. on the privilege of giving birth to children. "We are lucky to be a woman. I feel that every day."

(20:59) Robin: "I deserve pleasure. And this is difficult for me, because when I was born, the doctor did not see a willie so he said "it's a girl". I'm 33 now and a couple of years ago I came to realise that that small sentence trapped me. I think, people are worried for my happiness. That's an experience that you feel at ease with yourself. Joy beyond the labels. I think that's what we all deserve."

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews by Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery & George Dumitriu

Sound & recording by Hayden Hook - Dam Recordings

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

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