Today's guest is Wainer Lusoli, Deputy Head of Unit of the European Research Executive Agency (REA), and we talk about METASCIENCE. In the first part of our conversation, Wainer points out some of the megatrends that define the scientific ethos, such as speed, the mechanization of science, the professionalization of science, the monetization and the industrialization of science. Ethics plays a big role, too. Ethics that is not written in stone, but co-evolves with society. In the second part of our conversation, I will ask him what may be positive about these trends, and what we may want to keep in planning our way forward, in trying to orient the next transformation of science in a way that safeguards and ensures the personal wellbeing of the professional of science. Thank you for listening to this podcast. For more episodes, please check out our website, at remo-network.eu