re:invent security is a podcast where we, on a monthly basis, learn from industry leaders how they reinvented security and how you can turn their experiences into action. Join us as we chat with inspiring information security professionals, dissecting the field of information security and its developments. Because when an episode ends, the real question begins: 'What will you do differently tomorrow?' Let's reinvent our field, one strategy at a time.
re:invent security is hosted by Jeroen Prinse and Irfaan Santoe.
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re:invent security is a podcast where we, on a monthly basis, learn from industry leaders how they reinvented security and how you can turn their experiences into action. Join us as we chat with inspiring information security professionals, dissecting the field of information security and its developments. Because when an episode ends, the real question begins: 'What will you do differently tomorrow?' Let's reinvent our field, one strategy at a time.
re:invent security is hosted by Jeroen Prinse and Irfaan Santoe.
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
In this episode of re:invent security, we sit down with Petra Oldengarm, Director of Cyberveilig Nederland (CVN), to explore the real meaning of digital sovereignty—and why it’s more than just a political slogan. Petra takes us deep into the practical challenges and strategic decisions that come with reducing digital dependencies. From procurement strategies and fallback systems to encryption standards and talent development, this conversation unpacks what sovereignty can look like—without chasing unrealistic dreams of full independence. We also tackle the CISO’s role in influencing vendor choices, the myth of total control, and how European regulation (like NIS2) might help—but won’t solve everything. Whether you're in the public sector, critical infrastructure, or private enterprise, this episode is a must-listen for security leaders trying to navigate geopolitical complexity without losing sight of operational
Chapters:
00:00 - 1:44 - Teasers
1:45 - 4:44 - Introduction of the episode and Petra Oldengarm
04:45 - 08:03 - Reinventing security with private public collaboration (project Melissa)
08:04 - 09:43 - What are the biggest challenges that security leaders have regarding Digital
Sovereignty?
09:44 - 10:43 - Outsourcing is a strategic choice increasing dependencies
10:44 - 12:40- How can security leaders influence outsourcing decisions?
12:41 - 15:01 - Diversifying the vendor landscape is nog a security problem but a board problem
15:02 - 18:40 - Waiting for a European solution is not a strategy
18:41 - 21:15 - European legislation to improve digital autonomy
21:16 - 25:50 - European alternatives requires a broad long term governmental strategy
25:51 - 27:30 - Strategies to increase your sovereignty today
27:31 - 31:50 - Decreased risk is your Return on Investment
31:51 - 36:57 - What is the role of the government and the European Union to make sure leaders
diversify?
36:58 - 38:00 - You need to shift business continuity to the left
38:01 - 42:36 - Encryption is part of the solution
40:52 - 45:51 - What legislation is in the pipeline? (Omwille van de lengte mag deze er uit)
42:37 - 46:20 - Addressing the talent gap is a make or break for digital sovereignty?
46:21 - 49:40 - Petra’s advice: where do leaders start?
49:41 - 55:20 - Wrapping Up + Key take aways
Resources & Mentions:
Position Paper Cyberveilig Nederland on Digital Sovereignty: https://cyberveilignederland.nl/upload/userfiles/images/news/Position%20paper%20CVNL%20t_b_v_%20rondetafelgesprek%20Digitale%20soevereiniteit%20bij%20de%20Rijksoverheid%20d_d_%2013%20februari%202025%20(1).pdf
Article in the FD about dependencies in our digital autonomy: https://fd.nl/tech-en-innovatie/1549612/datacenters-worden-steeds-groter-maar-de-financiering-groeit-niet-mee
Connect with Petra: https://www.linkedin.com/in/petraoldengarm/
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