In this episode I'm joined by Rob Grundel.

He’s a storytelling consultant, a leadership coach, Christian, hip-hop artist and a proud dad.

I wanted to invite him as my guest because whenever I talk to him I feel so alive!

One of the most provocative things he says is in the interview is that hell is an unbiblical heresy! Here has a very different concept of Christianity to the one I grew up with. One that is based in love and grace rather than judgement and punishment.

We also talk about:

• His optimism about the future
  
• Why how we relate to each other in solving problems is more important than solving the problem
  
• Why are we collectively getting the results that no one wants
  
• How to know what your contribution to the world’s problems should be
  
• The fact that he's ‘full of bullshit’ and used to work for a tobacco company
  
• Dealing with shame
  
• The fact that what need need to reimagine is our relationship with everything