In this episode Andrew Clancy interviews Shiela O'Donnell and John Tuomey of O'Donnell and Tuomey. John and Shiela are as much educators as architects, and this conversation roves freely between conversations about schools, and their own work in practice. It is clear that these two worlds are interconnected and interreliant in a profound way in their lives. The work in both places has overlaps - not least a concern with close reading of site and context, and an investment in drawing out what the ‘utter’ aspect of a project might be through conversation and drawing. We talk through their recent retirement from UCD - the school they were taught in and in turn taught into for most of their lives, and how this might mark a new chapter on a number of levels. We also hear what it was like working for Stirling, the humanity of the man, and his insistence on the value of ‘the act itself’ of being an architect. We do hope you enjoy the conversation. http://odonnell-tuomey.ie --------- Credits: Register is the Research Centre in the Department of Architecture & Landscape at the Kingston School of Art, Kingston University London kingstonarchitecture.london Head of Department: Mary Johnson Producer: Laura Evans / Andrew Clancy Interviewer: Andrew Clancy Editor: Andrew Clancy Music: Poddington Bear - Rainbow Architecture