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Real Story on Martech
Tony Byrne and Jarrod Gingras
10 episodes
3 days ago
This no-BS podcast cuts through the hype to bring you the “real” stories behind marketing technology. Enterprise advisors Tony Byrne and Jarrod Gingras of Real Story Group share hard-won lessons, sharp insights, and candid takes from the buyer’s side of the table. From vendor bullying and the pitfalls of “headless” platforms to smart selection strategies and tech stacks that actually deliver, nothing’s off-limits.

If you’re tired of vendor spin and craving unfiltered advice, you’ve come to the right place. With over 20 years of experience helping global brands navigate the ever-changing Martech landscape, Tony and Jarrod demystify and de-hype marketing technology. Listen to “Real Story on Martech” to learn how the best stacks really work, which vendors to avoid, and how to become your firm’s next MarTech hero.

Listen to “Real Story on Martech” beginning April 30 on your favorite podcast apps, YouTube and realstorygroup.com.

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This no-BS podcast cuts through the hype to bring you the “real” stories behind marketing technology. Enterprise advisors Tony Byrne and Jarrod Gingras of Real Story Group share hard-won lessons, sharp insights, and candid takes from the buyer’s side of the table. From vendor bullying and the pitfalls of “headless” platforms to smart selection strategies and tech stacks that actually deliver, nothing’s off-limits.

If you’re tired of vendor spin and craving unfiltered advice, you’ve come to the right place. With over 20 years of experience helping global brands navigate the ever-changing Martech landscape, Tony and Jarrod demystify and de-hype marketing technology. Listen to “Real Story on Martech” to learn how the best stacks really work, which vendors to avoid, and how to become your firm’s next MarTech hero.

Listen to “Real Story on Martech” beginning April 30 on your favorite podcast apps, YouTube and realstorygroup.com.

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Marketing
Business,
Management
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Is Your Vendor a Zombie?
Real Story on Martech
17 minutes
1 month ago
Is Your Vendor a Zombie?
Some martech vendors are “zombies” — drifting through the market on legacy code, outdated R&D, or dwindling venture cash. Hosts Jarrod Gingras and Tony Byrne of the Real Story Group teach us how to spot the undead in your stack, from legacy vendors coasting on maintenance fees to AI startups masking decline behind funding rounds. 

In this episode:

What’s a “zombie vendor” in MarTech?
A zombie vendor is a technology provider that’s not fully dead — but definitely not alive either. These companies often coast on old technology, legacy maintenance fees, or venture cash rather than true innovation. They may appear stable, but their products stagnate, R&D fades, and support dwindles.

Why should marketers and digital leaders care about zombie vendors?
Zombie vendors drain time, resources, and morale. Teams stuck maintaining outdated platforms lose focus and enthusiasm. Bugs go unresolved, integrations break, and innovation stalls — slowing down the rest of your stack. The longer you ignore a zombie, the more it infects your ecosystem.

Where did the term “zombie vendor” come from?
The phrase traces back to the dot-com crash. Forbes’ article The Undead (2002) profiled enterprise vendors that had raised IPO cash before the crash — enough to stagger forward for years despite failing business models. The Real Story Group now sees a new wave of undead vendors emerging across the modern MarTech landscape.

How do you know if your vendor is a zombie?
Look for these warning signs:
  1. Declining new licenses or market traction
  2. Canceled user conferences or reduced customer engagement
  3. Staff cuts, especially in product development
  4. Higher-than-average churn among customers
  5. Poor integrations with modern systems
  6. Analyst firms still rating them highly despite client frustration (“zombie pumping”)
What are the main types of zombie vendors?
  1. Legacy Zombies – Older vendors living off maintenance revenue, minimal innovation, and captive customers (common in email marketing, DAM, CMS).
  2. SaaS Zombies – Newer, VC-backed vendors cutting expenses and shrinking quietly while appearing alive thanks to cloud infrastructure and funding rounds.
What happens to zombie platforms?
Many end up in roll-up “senior homes” like OpenText, Upland, or Verint. These firms acquire aging tools, offer light maintenance and bundled “solution suites,” and sunset products over time. Customers get limited updates but little innovation.

How can MarTech leaders respond to a zombie vendor?
You don’t have to flee immediately — but you do need a replacement plan.
  • Edge tools: Maintain support short-term while you innovate elsewhere.
  • Core platforms: Actively plan migration. Never license a zombie platform anew.
  • Do due diligence: Assess vendor health before renewing or buying.
What’s the bigger lesson for digital leaders?A “zombie” in your stack can quietly kill innovation. Use stack health assessments to identify weak links. Real Story Group recommends auditing your platforms regularly, verifying product roadmaps, and talking to peers — not just analysts — about real customer experiences.

How can Real Story Group help?
The Real Story Group offers stack health assessments that pinpoint vendors at risk and guide you toward modern, future-proof solutions. Reach out for a checkup call to see where zombies may be lurking in your stack.

Visit https://www.realstorygroup.com for more resources.


Real Story on Martech
This no-BS podcast cuts through the hype to bring you the “real” stories behind marketing technology. Enterprise advisors Tony Byrne and Jarrod Gingras of Real Story Group share hard-won lessons, sharp insights, and candid takes from the buyer’s side of the table. From vendor bullying and the pitfalls of “headless” platforms to smart selection strategies and tech stacks that actually deliver, nothing’s off-limits.

If you’re tired of vendor spin and craving unfiltered advice, you’ve come to the right place. With over 20 years of experience helping global brands navigate the ever-changing Martech landscape, Tony and Jarrod demystify and de-hype marketing technology. Listen to “Real Story on Martech” to learn how the best stacks really work, which vendors to avoid, and how to become your firm’s next MarTech hero.

Listen to “Real Story on Martech” beginning April 30 on your favorite podcast apps, YouTube and realstorygroup.com.