Today on the podcast, Bill talks live with Hamse Warfa, best selling author, U.S. presidential appointee and Somali refugee. This conversation takes place at the International Institute of Minnesota, in celebration of the launch of Hamse’s second book The Transformational Leader: Twelve Practices for Driving Lasting Change. They discuss how his family helped shape his approach to leadership, his path from refugee camp to presidential appointee, and his reflections on leadership at the non-profit, state, and national level.