“But for practicality and to save time, in the vast universe, they put tiny elevators in every apartment building, and now, in my wheelchair, there is no room for me to go up, no room for me to go down, there is not room for me to live in the vast universe, where Up and Down are relevant” (Αρτέμης Μαυρομμάτης / Artemis Mavrommatis). In today’s episode Mars Tarassenko is joined again by Eleftheria Papanikolaou to discuss writing projects related to Sappho and the Iliad, the troubles of translation, and modern Greek poetry relating to disability and queerness. The notion of labels as a constricting element of life is explored, and how language doesn’t have the capacity to fully describe the essence of someone – and how not being married to a label doesn’t negate your existence and challenges.