
Extremist ideologies are a social poison. In this special series devoted to widening our circle of empathy for people who often feel marginalized or misunderstood, watch this powerful episode featuring Arno Michaelis, a former neo-Nazi and author of My Life After Hate.
Once the frontman of a hate metal band, Arno shares how violence nearly destroyed his life. He describes how he walked away from white nationalism and is now committed to helping others abandon extremist ideologies, on the political left and right.
Together, we discuss:
Why hate must be treated as a public health issue
Why empathy and forgiveness are keys to breaking cycles of violence
The road to transformation, redemption and healing
How our shared humanity can help bridge deep divides
The power of human connection to drive social change
If you’ve ever wondered what leads people to hate and violent extremism, and how it’s possible to deradicalize someone, this conversation will leave you informed and inspired.
00:00 Preview
01:16 Introduction
02:57 About Arno Michaelis
05:16 Arno’s backstory
08:52 Becoming a bully in elementary school
12:50 Why (and how) are people drawn to extremist ideologies?
16:35 Arno’s journey of redemption
22:57 Why hate should be considered a public health issue
27:22 What the “old Arno” would say listening to the “new Arno”
29:24 How Arno’s life changed after his daughter was born
36:25 From rock star to rock bottom: Why did Arno walk away from a life of hate?
42:28 How did Arno start to drift away from hate?
47:30 How can parents help prevent hate and violent extremism from taking root?
56:28 The Gift of Our Wounds by Arno Michaelis & Pardeep Singh Kaleka
01:02:34 Arno Michaelis’s Purposeful Empathy story
CONNECT WITH ANITA
✩ Email purposefulempathy@gmail.com
✩ Website https://www.anitanowak.com
✩ Buy a copy of Purposeful Empathy http://tiny.cc/PurposefulEmpathyCA
✩ LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/anitanowak/
✩ Instagram https://tinyurl.com/anitanowakinstagram
✩ Podcast Audio https://tinyurl.com/PurposefulEmpathyPodcast
✩ Bluesky https://bsky.app/profile/anitanowak.bsky.social
CONNECT WITH ARNO
✩ LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/arnomichaelis/
✩ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/arnomichaelis/?hl=en
SHOW NOTES
✩ My Life After Hate https://www.amazon.com/Life-After-Hate-Michaelis-Arno/dp/0983129096
✩ The Gift of Our Wounds https://www.amazon.com/Gift-Our-Wounds-Supremacist-Forgiveness/dp/1250107547
✩ Refuge, Arno’s film project http://refugemovie.com/
✩ Serve 2 Unite https://www.parents4peace.org/
✩ US Insider Clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-g3Z8IWsdU
Video edited by Green Horizon Studio