In this Music, Creativity and Mental Health roundtable we discuss the podcast with singer, songwriter, producer and multi-instrumentalist Max Frost. THat conversation was full of Max's deep reflections and insights and this prompted an equally deep and significant discussion with my friends from Nettwerk Music. Topics covered included: the music industry as a 'rat-race' in which the prospect of the loss of status is worse than never attaining it; the 'cycle of torture' that increasing one's audience can subject artists to; managing one's ego, especially managing social media comparison; that although social media has amped up concern with metrics, this has always been there in the industry; that there are 'many doors to the room of creativity'; the chaos of overwhelming commoditisation of music; and the seductive and perverting nature of fame.