In this new chapter of Project Co, Ana Amrein Esnaola talks with David Jay, a social-change pioneer who sees relationships as powerful tools for healing and transformation. He is the founder of the Asexual Visibility and Education Network (AVEN) and author of Relationality: How Moving from Transactional to Transformational Relationships Can Reshape Our Lonely World.

Together, they explore how redefining our bonds can positively impact mental health, creativity, and systemic change. He also introduces five key indicators—connection, care, creativity, collective action, and generative conflict—that help us gauge the power of our relationships.

We also want to extend our heartfelt gratitude to the Wasan community, especially Meg Busse and Rachel Sinha, the facilitators of the “Making the Case for Relationality” huddle, for making this connection possible.Listen now and discover how co-creation can guide us toward a more human and sustainable future!