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In this episode, I talk to Hannah—a seasoned product leader and platform product expert at Totara Learning, with prior experience at Xero and as a fractional CPO—about:

• Her transition from learning & development into product leadership.

• Lessons from bringing product thinking into technical teams at Xero.

• How to empower platform teams and define a clear strategy.

• Metrics that matter for platform teams, including internal satisfaction and time-to-release.

• Why developer experience directly impacts product quality—and how to improve it.

• Building strong product cultures in both startups and enterprises.

• Creating alignment through one-page strategies and async communication.

• How leadership differs between startups and larger orgs—and what remains constant.