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ProAging Podcast
Positive Aging Community - Steve Gurney
182 episodes
1 day ago
Discussions on a variety of topics related to positive aging and the longevity marketplace. These podcasts are recordings of our live digital discussions on the Zoom platform, to view all recordings and see the upcoming schedule, visit https://www.retirementlivingsourcebook.com/digital-discussions
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Discussions on a variety of topics related to positive aging and the longevity marketplace. These podcasts are recordings of our live digital discussions on the Zoom platform, to view all recordings and see the upcoming schedule, visit https://www.retirementlivingsourcebook.com/digital-discussions
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The Death Deck: Facilitating Meaningful End-of-Life Conversations
ProAging Podcast
28 minutes 38 seconds
2 months ago
The Death Deck: Facilitating Meaningful End-of-Life Conversations

In a recent discussion hosted by Steve Gurney of the Positive Aging Community, Lisa Pahl, a licensed clinical social worker and co-creator of The Death Deck, shared insights into her innovative tool designed to spark meaningful conversations about end-of-life decisions. With 18 years of experience in hospice care and eight years in emergency medicine, Pahl identified a critical gap in how families approach death and dying. Too often, the absence of prior discussions leads to conflict and distress when making healthcare decisions during a medical crisis. The Death Deck, created in 2018, aims to bridge this gap by encouraging open dialogue in a lighthearted yet profound way. Pahl, who became the sole CEO of The Death Deck after buying out her business partner in 2025, continues to expand its reach.What is The Death Deck?The Death Deck is a card game designed to make end-of-life conversations more approachable. By incorporating humor and multiple-choice questions, it helps individuals and families discuss sensitive topics without the heaviness that often accompanies them. Pahl explained that the deck was born out of her desire to reduce chaos and uncertainty at the end of life by empowering people to share their preferences well before a crisis. In 2023, Pahl and her team expanded their offerings with the EOL (End of Life) Deck, a professional tool tailored for hospice and palliative care settings. This deck adopts a softer tone with less humor, focusing on detailed end-of-life preferences.A third deck, the Dementia Deck, is set to launch on September 1st in collaboration with Compassion and Choices. This deck, inspired by their Dementia Values and Priorities Tool, helps individuals articulate care preferences for different stages of dementia, addressing a condition many fear more than death itself.Why These Conversations MatterPahl emphasized that discussing end-of-life wishes is like exercising a muscle—it requires practice to become comfortable. Many avoid these conversations due to fear, believing that talking about death might somehow hasten it. The Death Deck’s cards prompt reflection on personal and family attitudes toward death. For example, one card asks, “Growing up, my family dealt with death by: A) talking openly, sharing feelings, stories, and dark humor; B) in a no-nonsense sort of way—shit happens, you move on; or C) keeping it all bottled up and avoiding any discussion.” Pahl shared that her upbringing leaned toward options A and B, with humor often used to cope, while Gurney noted that his family leaned toward avoidance, but his professional work has shifted his perspective, encouraging more open dialogue.How The Death Deck is UsedThe Death Deck serves as a versatile tool for both families and professionals. For families, it provides a structured yet approachable way to discuss end-of-life wishes, often using humor to ease tension. Professionals, particularly in hospice and palliative care, find the cards useful for initiating conversations without making patients or families feel overly vulnerable. As Pahl noted, “It feels a little less vulnerable when I am reading something off a card than if I’m just staring into your eyes asking how you feel about visitors as you’re declining.”A Tool for Living WellUltimately, The Death Deck is not just about preparing for death—it’s about living more intentionally. As Pahl and Gurney discussed, reflecting on end-of-life preferences often prompts people to prioritize relationships and values in the present. For those interested in exploring this tool, The Death Deck and its companion decks are available at thedeathdeck.com, where additional resources and a blog provide further support for end-of-life planning. As Pahl’s work demonstrates, embracing these conversations can transform fear into empowerment, ensuring that both life and death are approached with clarity and connection.

ProAging Podcast
Discussions on a variety of topics related to positive aging and the longevity marketplace. These podcasts are recordings of our live digital discussions on the Zoom platform, to view all recordings and see the upcoming schedule, visit https://www.retirementlivingsourcebook.com/digital-discussions