In this episode, Steve and Shannon Clemonds discuss their busy lives, including Shannon's return to wedding planning after nine years, a neighborhood rodeo party, and the impact of AI in movies. They also share their fall bucket list and thoughts on the polarizing nature of politics. Steve welcomes Pam Marsh, Vice President of Sales at Udemy, to discuss the importance of continuous learning and development in organizations. They explore how learning drives personal growth, organizational performance, and innovation. In our conversation we talked about how the best organizations don’t chase the “next big thing” for the sake of it. Instead, they listen with intent, solve what truly matters, and build trust that keeps customers coming back—and even attracts new ones.