In today’s episode, Dr. David Allen talks with Dr. Jon Okinaga, assistant professor of biblical counseling and Hope for the Heart chair of biblical counseling at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, about the difference between biblical counseling, secular counseling, and avenues that attempt to integrate the two models. Listen to Dr. Okinaga’s personal story of redemption and his journey to becoming a professor teaching biblical counseling from a perspective of Scripture being fully sufficient for all things including ministry task of biblical counseling.