Join Todd Conklin in an engaging conversation with Shane Bush at the Pre-XMet Podcast, as they dive into Shane's unexpected Hall of Fame induction and the surprising gift of his own bobblehead. Throughout the episode, they explore the dynamics of safety conferences, focusing on the interaction between academia and practitioners. Shane shares insights into how historical discussions are being refreshed with new perspectives, emphasizing the significance of both fields in improving systems.The conversation also touches on the evolution of conference content, reflecting on past and present trends, while highlighting the role of academia in shaping the themes. Shane, known for his resilience work, discusses how safety measures evolve, often leading to unexpected outcomes. The hosts further explore ideas from renowned experts, updating concepts like just culture and shifting focus towards more dynamic monitoring and assurance in organizations.With humorous anecdotes and reflective moments, this episode offers a unique perspective on the future of safety and the importance of embracing both change and continuity in professional learning environments.