In this episode of the Pre-Accident Investigation Podcast, host Todd is joined by Georgina Poole, a safety professional from Australia, to discuss a wide range of topics about modern safety initiatives and leadership. Georgina shares her research findings on what creates sustainable change in organizations and the role of leadership in these transformations. The conversation delves into the challenges of measuring safety improvements, the misconceptions surrounding safety practices, and the importance of redefining safety as a continuous capacity to do work well. Todd and Georgina explore the complexities of organizational change, discussing how progress is not always linear and how leadership must adapt to contextual requirements. Listeners are invited to reflect on their own understanding of safety and leadership while considering the cultural and operational shifts necessary for effective change. This engaging episode promises a thought-provoking look at how industries can better create a safe and productive environment by embracing new strategies and ideas.