Urban ecologist Manuel Esperon-Rodriguez in conversation with Catherine Polcz.  He shares his journey from researching plant physiology in the Mexican Veracruz Montane Forests to future-proofing diverse urban forests of Western Sydney. His work is driven by understanding our relationship to the urban environment where people and plants are reliant on one another. Bio: Manuel Esperon-Rodriguez is a Sydney-based, Mexican ecologist who studies the effects of climate on plant function in urban ecosystems. He completed his PhD in Eastern Mexico assessing the vulnerability of the lush Veracruz cloud forest to climate change. In 2015 he joined Macquarie University with a project identifying climate refugia and plant migration corridors in Australia. In 2017 he joined the Hawkesbury Institute for the Environment at Western Sydney University where he continues his research on urban forests. This episode is produced by Catherine Polcz with music by Carl Didur.