Jade Tailor joins Dani and Clara in discussing Episode 412, "The Secret Sea," depression, and accepting the world as it is. Things get personal when we start to talk about the drowned garden, and we all share what the show, the books, and the community surrounding "The Magicians" has meant to us.

There are book spoilers in the episode breakdown, especially when we start to share our personal stories, but we've purposely kept them out of our interview with Jade. If you want to avoid them, skip from the end of the interview (where there's a spoiler warning) to 01:17:18.

Special Guest: Jade Tailor.