Founder and perfumer for Seattle-based brand Filigree & Shadow, James Elliott joins me to talk self-teaching, the logistics of being a one man brand, a little politics, and plenty of name dropping, among other things.

Thank you for not swearing, James, but you really could have.

P.S. The word he was searching for was "stability".

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